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		<title>Comment on Opening Public Data in South Africa: legal complications by Andrew Rens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Rens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 18:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the comment Adi

First let me agree with you that the need for legal clarification should not stop users from continuing their work, nor government from discovering the potential of open data.

Of course I can&#039;t comment on whether legal action from government is likely.

But that doesn&#039;t mean that people can&#039;t engage with government, get access to data as they are able, and demonstrate the desirability of open data.

As you know the Copyright Act came in to force in 1978, BIG DATA hadn&#039;t been imagined yet. The Act includes in the definition of &quot;literary work&quot; the following: &quot;(g) tables and compilations, including tables and compilations of data stored or embodied
in a computer or a medium used in conjunction with a computer,&quot;.

Whether a compilation of data falls under copyright depends on the same three factors that affect all South African works; it must be original, reduced to a material form and made by a qualified person. According to the Act copyright may adhere in the state as a qualified person. Storage as &#039;digital data&#039; is enough for a work to be regarded as in material form. For a work to be regarded as original it must be the product of independent production i.e. not a copy of another work.

What does that mean for databases? South African law is not at all clear on this. South African law has not adopted the standard of requiring creativity found in the Feist decision in the US, nor even the originality by dint of selection and arrangement of the European Union Database Directive.

Most of the cases dealing with the relevant section don&#039;t deal with computerised databases but the one leading case on computerised databases Payen v Bovis dealt with a work created under the 1965 Act. That case states that a computer generated database is subject to copyright where it is the result of independent skill and effort. 

The vesting of not all but  &#039;technological&#039; intellectual property in SITA is matched by the appointment of the Office of the Government Printer to manage copyright that vests in government. 

But there are many statutes that appoint Registrars of particular &#039;registers&#039; (by now all computerised databases) which it could be argued grant those Registrars the responsibility to manage the copyright in the registers (assuming that there is any copyright in the register).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the comment Adi</p>
<p>First let me agree with you that the need for legal clarification should not stop users from continuing their work, nor government from discovering the potential of open data.</p>
<p>Of course I can&#8217;t comment on whether legal action from government is likely.</p>
<p>But that doesn&#8217;t mean that people can&#8217;t engage with government, get access to data as they are able, and demonstrate the desirability of open data.</p>
<p>As you know the Copyright Act came in to force in 1978, BIG DATA hadn&#8217;t been imagined yet. The Act includes in the definition of &#8220;literary work&#8221; the following: &#8220;(g) tables and compilations, including tables and compilations of data stored or embodied<br />
in a computer or a medium used in conjunction with a computer,&#8221;.</p>
<p>Whether a compilation of data falls under copyright depends on the same three factors that affect all South African works; it must be original, reduced to a material form and made by a qualified person. According to the Act copyright may adhere in the state as a qualified person. Storage as &#8216;digital data&#8217; is enough for a work to be regarded as in material form. For a work to be regarded as original it must be the product of independent production i.e. not a copy of another work.</p>
<p>What does that mean for databases? South African law is not at all clear on this. South African law has not adopted the standard of requiring creativity found in the Feist decision in the US, nor even the originality by dint of selection and arrangement of the European Union Database Directive.</p>
<p>Most of the cases dealing with the relevant section don&#8217;t deal with computerised databases but the one leading case on computerised databases Payen v Bovis dealt with a work created under the 1965 Act. That case states that a computer generated database is subject to copyright where it is the result of independent skill and effort. </p>
<p>The vesting of not all but  &#8216;technological&#8217; intellectual property in SITA is matched by the appointment of the Office of the Government Printer to manage copyright that vests in government. </p>
<p>But there are many statutes that appoint Registrars of particular &#8216;registers&#8217; (by now all computerised databases) which it could be argued grant those Registrars the responsibility to manage the copyright in the registers (assuming that there is any copyright in the register).</p>
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		<title>Comment on Opening Public Data in South Africa: legal complications by Adi Eyal</title>
		<link>http://aliquidnovi.org/opening-public-data-in-south-africa-legal-complications/comment-page-1/#comment-63147</link>
		<dc:creator>Adi Eyal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 14:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for writing this article. It&#039;s useful that you&#039;re putting the issue in context. 

My understanding of the copyright act is that it does not directly cover data. Data can possibly be interpreted under the literary work definition. In any case, to qualify as a literary work, the data needs to include some component of creativity or innovation. 

Facts are not applicable under copyright. Databases of facts may be, depending on whether the process of the selection of the facts to be included underwent a creative or innovative process. For example, I don&#039;t think that the telephone book qualifies for copyright protection. On the other hand a list of names of the 10 most powerful leaders in South Africa may, as the process of creating that list is innovative.

Interestingly enough, the act explicitly excludes official texts from copyright but doesn&#039;t specifically define what an official text is. Arguably, most government data can be considered to be an official text.

PAIA defines the process through which data can be requested but does not deal with ownership of the intellectual property as far as I understand. It is not clear what my rights are with regards to data received through the PAIA process.

The State Information Technology Act includes a bizarre clause that vests all intellectual property in SITA. 

Legal clarification is important but shouldn&#039;t stop users of data from continuing their work. Legal action from government agencies is highly unlikely and positive examples of how data is being used to produce information products and improve citizen engagement with government will only improve the case for making more data open.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for writing this article. It&#8217;s useful that you&#8217;re putting the issue in context. </p>
<p>My understanding of the copyright act is that it does not directly cover data. Data can possibly be interpreted under the literary work definition. In any case, to qualify as a literary work, the data needs to include some component of creativity or innovation. </p>
<p>Facts are not applicable under copyright. Databases of facts may be, depending on whether the process of the selection of the facts to be included underwent a creative or innovative process. For example, I don&#8217;t think that the telephone book qualifies for copyright protection. On the other hand a list of names of the 10 most powerful leaders in South Africa may, as the process of creating that list is innovative.</p>
<p>Interestingly enough, the act explicitly excludes official texts from copyright but doesn&#8217;t specifically define what an official text is. Arguably, most government data can be considered to be an official text.</p>
<p>PAIA defines the process through which data can be requested but does not deal with ownership of the intellectual property as far as I understand. It is not clear what my rights are with regards to data received through the PAIA process.</p>
<p>The State Information Technology Act includes a bizarre clause that vests all intellectual property in SITA. </p>
<p>Legal clarification is important but shouldn&#8217;t stop users of data from continuing their work. Legal action from government agencies is highly unlikely and positive examples of how data is being used to produce information products and improve citizen engagement with government will only improve the case for making more data open.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Will crowdfunding make Intellectual Property obsolete? by Martha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2013 16:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry as I reread this I wanted to clarify one thing: I quite agree that intellectual property systems is not the way to address how we in fact value creative works.  Much as I bemoan the royalty issue I described and the potential demise of artist run distribution centres I do not think this will be solved by copyright or some other IP regime.  I do wish that google et al would put their formidable power to the question of how we ensure that there is something other than West Side Story in our theatres.  And hey who pocketed the royalties due Rodriquez?  Anyone in your part of the world solved that mystery?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry as I reread this I wanted to clarify one thing: I quite agree that intellectual property systems is not the way to address how we in fact value creative works.  Much as I bemoan the royalty issue I described and the potential demise of artist run distribution centres I do not think this will be solved by copyright or some other IP regime.  I do wish that google et al would put their formidable power to the question of how we ensure that there is something other than West Side Story in our theatres.  And hey who pocketed the royalties due Rodriquez?  Anyone in your part of the world solved that mystery?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Will crowdfunding make Intellectual Property obsolete? by Martha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2013 16:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Andrew apologies for the late reply. For me what is lacking is robust cultural policy such that we could use crowdfunding with wisdom.  Where I live with the exception of limited examples in film and music few such campaigns have succeeded.  These campaigns also require a lot of resources to create and maintain much of which is unaccounted for in what I have seen of the literature. At the same time there is I think an &quot;overvaluing&quot; of the &quot;crowd&quot;.  Many of the crowd may not be the actual patrons many arts orgs need to survive.  This is why it brings me back to cultural policy.  What is lacking for me in many IP circles is somehow an engagement with the fact that whether open or closed copyright has become de jure cultural policy.  This is a problem since the state is less and less willing to fund the  complex cultural ecosystem and the same moment as digital monopolies exert their power and demand open &quot;content&quot; and itself does little if anything to support the funding of our tiny slice of the creative world.  This last is for me a failure of the system as described by Chris Anderson.  Meanwhile recent changes to copyright wipe out the major source of royalties to creators (both visual and writers) as the entire educational sector is advised by government that you can show your class that copy of the film you borrowed from netflix (or your friend) that is made about that obscure artists in no man&#039;s land (that has yet to recoup after 10 years of labour) Not to mention non profit distributors of this content who haven&#039;t the funding to enforce their licenses in the first place. What is fair about that?  So goodbye artist run distribution centres. Most artists I know have no interest in becoming Seth Godin and as you point out couldn&#039;t even if they wanted to. The whole thing makes me grumpy.  Anyway, thanks for reading. and writing I hope our paths cross again let me know if you will be back this way someday. /m</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Andrew apologies for the late reply. For me what is lacking is robust cultural policy such that we could use crowdfunding with wisdom.  Where I live with the exception of limited examples in film and music few such campaigns have succeeded.  These campaigns also require a lot of resources to create and maintain much of which is unaccounted for in what I have seen of the literature. At the same time there is I think an &#8220;overvaluing&#8221; of the &#8220;crowd&#8221;.  Many of the crowd may not be the actual patrons many arts orgs need to survive.  This is why it brings me back to cultural policy.  What is lacking for me in many IP circles is somehow an engagement with the fact that whether open or closed copyright has become de jure cultural policy.  This is a problem since the state is less and less willing to fund the  complex cultural ecosystem and the same moment as digital monopolies exert their power and demand open &#8220;content&#8221; and itself does little if anything to support the funding of our tiny slice of the creative world.  This last is for me a failure of the system as described by Chris Anderson.  Meanwhile recent changes to copyright wipe out the major source of royalties to creators (both visual and writers) as the entire educational sector is advised by government that you can show your class that copy of the film you borrowed from netflix (or your friend) that is made about that obscure artists in no man&#8217;s land (that has yet to recoup after 10 years of labour) Not to mention non profit distributors of this content who haven&#8217;t the funding to enforce their licenses in the first place. What is fair about that?  So goodbye artist run distribution centres. Most artists I know have no interest in becoming Seth Godin and as you point out couldn&#8217;t even if they wanted to. The whole thing makes me grumpy.  Anyway, thanks for reading. and writing I hope our paths cross again let me know if you will be back this way someday. /m</p>
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		<dc:creator>Weekly Highlights of Intellectual Property News from Kenya and Beyond &#171; Centre for IP &#38; IT Law Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2012 16:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Collecting Societies in South Africa: the Report by Good Reads: Weekly Review of Intellectual Property News from Africa and Beyond &#171; Centre for IP &#38; ICT Law Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Good Reads: Weekly Review of Intellectual Property News from Africa and Beyond &#171; Centre for IP &#38; ICT Law Blog</dc:creator>
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		<title>Comment on Will crowdfunding make Intellectual Property obsolete? by Andrew Rens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Rens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 15:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for your comment Martha. I don&#039;t believe the hjype that is why I wrote the title as a question, and set out a number of caveats that our knowledge is incomplete. 

I am not sure what you mean by mixed models. As I pointed out in the blogpost crowd funding could potentially provide us with information that is otherwise unavailable due to the distorting effect of statutory monopolies.  How would this information change the way that public support for the arts is structured?  Could the future consist of a combination of crowd sourcing and state support but without intellectual property?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your comment Martha. I don&#8217;t believe the hjype that is why I wrote the title as a question, and set out a number of caveats that our knowledge is incomplete. </p>
<p>I am not sure what you mean by mixed models. As I pointed out in the blogpost crowd funding could potentially provide us with information that is otherwise unavailable due to the distorting effect of statutory monopolies.  How would this information change the way that public support for the arts is structured?  Could the future consist of a combination of crowd sourcing and state support but without intellectual property?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Will crowdfunding make Intellectual Property obsolete? by Martha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 02:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew: Don&#039;t believe the hype.  Crowdfunding platforms  - particularly in areas where there is an extremely limited market for the &quot;rewards&quot; - are not a substitute for sustainable funding.  In Canada arts and culture groups have been starved the result is fewer venues to play, fewer local/regional theatres, and those that remain have shorter seasons making room for emerging playwrights further and farther between.  This is not solved by crowdfunding.  As Alan Toner (band of noble peers and steal this film) himself commented about kickstarter adding up all the money donated to independent films does not an industry make. If we really want to support creators we need to support mixed models and some form of sustainable funding to ensure that there is an ecosystem available to experiment within and fail and start again.  We need to ensure that those who have no obvious market for their work are not shut out before they start.  (Rodriguez might be a case in point . . . )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew: Don&#8217;t believe the hype.  Crowdfunding platforms  &#8211; particularly in areas where there is an extremely limited market for the &#8220;rewards&#8221; &#8211; are not a substitute for sustainable funding.  In Canada arts and culture groups have been starved the result is fewer venues to play, fewer local/regional theatres, and those that remain have shorter seasons making room for emerging playwrights further and farther between.  This is not solved by crowdfunding.  As Alan Toner (band of noble peers and steal this film) himself commented about kickstarter adding up all the money donated to independent films does not an industry make. If we really want to support creators we need to support mixed models and some form of sustainable funding to ensure that there is an ecosystem available to experiment within and fail and start again.  We need to ensure that those who have no obvious market for their work are not shut out before they start.  (Rodriguez might be a case in point . . . )</p>
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		<title>Comment on ex Africa semper aliquid novi by Andrew Rens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Rens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2012 19:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for your comment Chris. 
I reas the history of the phrase &quot;ex africa semper aliquid novi&quot;  as more complex. You are right that it was sometimes used in a negative sense but more as describing the bizzare or outlandish.

Pliny the Elder states in&lt;em&gt; Naturalis Historia,&lt;/em&gt; VIII. xviii &quot;&lt;em&gt; magna his libido coitus et ob hoc maribus ira Africa haec maxime spectat, inopia aquarum ad paucos amnes congregantibus se feris. ideo multiformes ibi animalium partus, varie feminis cuiusque generis mares aut vi aut voluptate miscente: unde etiam vulgare Graeciae dictum semper aliquid novi Africam adferre. &lt;/em&gt;&quot;. Reading this in the original Latin I understand the connection to the bizzare to be Pliny&#039;s, whereas the saying as he reports it has seems to have had connotations more of bemusement, the equivalent of when people in the United States exclaim about innovation from Silicon Valley &quot;what will those crazy Californians come up with next&quot;.

I fully intend to make ex africa more positive in future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your comment Chris.<br />
I reas the history of the phrase &#8220;ex africa semper aliquid novi&#8221;  as more complex. You are right that it was sometimes used in a negative sense but more as describing the bizzare or outlandish.</p>
<p>Pliny the Elder states in<em> Naturalis Historia,</em> VIII. xviii &#8220;<em> magna his libido coitus et ob hoc maribus ira Africa haec maxime spectat, inopia aquarum ad paucos amnes congregantibus se feris. ideo multiformes ibi animalium partus, varie feminis cuiusque generis mares aut vi aut voluptate miscente: unde etiam vulgare Graeciae dictum semper aliquid novi Africam adferre. </em>&#8220;. Reading this in the original Latin I understand the connection to the bizzare to be Pliny&#8217;s, whereas the saying as he reports it has seems to have had connotations more of bemusement, the equivalent of when people in the United States exclaim about innovation from Silicon Valley &#8220;what will those crazy Californians come up with next&#8221;.</p>
<p>I fully intend to make ex africa more positive in future.</p>
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		<title>Comment on ex Africa semper aliquid novi by Chris Szabo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Szabo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2012 17:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately the fact is the sentence was negative. The idea was that there was an abundance of weird animals and these &quot;new&quot; animals were mutations and rather negative.
I also heard that Pliny the Elder referred to this originally Greek statements by referring to the Punic Wars which were indeed an attack on Rome and hence negative. See also the http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/02/0219_030219_outofafrica.htmlarticle on this.
Let&#039;s hope that things &quot;Out of Africa&quot; will be more positive in the future!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately the fact is the sentence was negative. The idea was that there was an abundance of weird animals and these &#8220;new&#8221; animals were mutations and rather negative.<br />
I also heard that Pliny the Elder referred to this originally Greek statements by referring to the Punic Wars which were indeed an attack on Rome and hence negative. See also the <a href="http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/02/0219_030219_outofafrica.htmlarticle" rel="nofollow">http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/02/0219_030219_outofafrica.htmlarticle</a> on this.<br />
Let&#8217;s hope that things &#8220;Out of Africa&#8221; will be more positive in the future!!</p>
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